Here are some simply logical ways to reason with people from the prophecy concerning the 7 times of Daniel 4;
The “tree” in the image represents God’s kingdom as being “trampled by the nations” until 7 times, that is a time is a lunar year of 360 days;
Seven of those “times” is 7 x 360 = 2520 years; Jerusalem’s divine kingship agreement from God, through David’s line, ceased with the death of king Zedekiah at King Neb’s order;
That “seven times” for this removal of physical kingship, as represented in the “holy city” Jerusalem went on for 2520 years from 607 BCE, to 1914 CE;
Christ became King officially in that year, and so ended the “times of the gentiles” as Christ mentioned to his apostles at Luke 21:24:
(Luke 21:20-24) “Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; 22 because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people; 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
Those appointed times are the ones in Daniel, and Christ’s makes the connection to Daniel:
(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.
That is the Roman army as the “disgusting thing” claiming sovereignty in 70 CE by destroying Jerusalem, JUST LIKE king Neb and Babylon did in 607 CE; BOTH were “disgusting things” that were in a holy place, Jerusalem and the temple; and BOTH destroyed Jerusalem and the temple;
Christ told his apostles this prophecy so they would understand, in spite of God’s Son coming to earth, JERUSALEM WOULD STILL BE DESTROYED, “the tribulation of those days”; (Matt24:29-31) were, and will be, days of justice AND APPOINTED TIME:
(Luke 21:21-22) let those in the country places not enter into her; 22 because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled. (Appointed times)
IMPORTANT REASONING POINT 1
1. Well, here is how to reason on this, the Revelation 11 “holy city” RELATES PERFECTLY to Jerusalem as the “holy city” in the 2520 years, 7 times “appointed times”;
2. The 3.5 times = 42 months = 1260 days MUST complete as 7 times = 84 months = 2520 days;
3. It is split, because it has TWO fulfillments, separated in time at temple foundation and temple completion, at kingdom birth and kingdom conquest, at “holy city” trampled, and “holy city” glorified and completed as “New Jerusalem” 144000 completion;
(Revelation 11:2-3) But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (3.5 times) 3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”
The point is that is ONLY 3.5 times so far has completed (1914-1918); THAT “trampling” as with the 2520 years, 7 times “trampling” MUST also add up to 7 times “trampling” to COMPLETION as “all things written may be fulfilled”; So? There MUST and WILL be a final completion;
BUT it is AFTER the 2520 years have ended, and this “holy city” is under an actual divine King Jesus Christ, and this “trampling” is ALL there is in 2520 DAYS, after this final 1260 days expires, and that is it, the 1290 days is a complete final “sheep/goat” separation and gathering, and final total conquest of every rival on earth (Rev19:19-21) and universe; (Rev20:1-3); We do not know when in the 1290 it will be finalized;
This is because it is IN “the Lord’s Day” of Rev1:10, AFTER the 2520 years has expired – but it is a related “7 times” BUT in 2520 days, not 2520 years; THAT is a strong logical relationship of city and appointed times;
This is the “trampling” not of the Judean/Judah line of Kings in physical Israel, BUT the anointed line of “king designates”, the anointed who must prove faithful through the COMPLETE destruction of the “holy city” (Zech14:1-3) a symbol of ALL the anointed;
(But some will be “we who are surviving” (1Thess4:17 “in the air”), but they are gathered at Christ’s revelation from heaven “in the air” 7th bowl event (Rev16:17), “with his powerful angels”; (Matt25:31-46; Matt24:29-31; mark13:24-27; Luke 17:37; Jude 14)
In final fulfillment completion:
(Revelation 13:9-10) 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 If anyone is meant for captivity (transference), he goes away into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword (martyrdom or natural causes), he must be killed with the sword. Here is where it means the endurance and faith of the holy ones.
That “Enoch style” (Jude 14) instant transformation is this:
(Matthew 13:43) At that time (1290 commencing) the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen. (Also Zech12:7-9)
This is because GOD, NOT Satan or the wildbeast of Rev11:7, GOD will control the EXACT timing of the 144000 completion; And some will be “captive”, NOT killed by the enemy, but “transferred” by God through Christ; The 144000 MUST be completed for conquest as well, all times and numbers must be full; (Zech4:6-9; Isa40:26)
These are the “eagles” in final fulfillment completion, this “body” of Christ is here, “in the air” over planet Earth:
(Luke 17:34-37) I tell you, In that night …(1290 commencement) … one will be taken along, but the other will be abandoned.” 37 So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the body is (Rev16:17 “in the air” 1Thess4:17), there also the eagles will be gathered together.”
IN this gathering:
(Mark 13:27) And then he will send forth the angels (Jude14; Matt25:31-46) and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds (Rev7:1-4), from earth’s extremity (earth sheep) to heaven’s extremity (heaven sheep).
IMPORTANT REASONING POINT 2
ANYWHERE we have this “3.5 time” “time link” in prophecy TO other prohecies, this MUST also complete as 7 times:
Main Pattern Identifying “Holy City”;
(Revelation 11:2-3) But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”
(Daniel 7:25-26) And he will speak even words against the Most High, and he will harass continually the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One. And he will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, and times and half a time. 26 (1290 commencement) And the Court itself proceeded to sit, and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him totally.
(Daniel 12:7) And I began to hear the man clothed with the linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he proceeded to raise his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half. And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish.”
(Revelation 12:6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days.
(Revelation 12:14) But the two wings (means two deliverances) of the great eagle (Christ Eagle) were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
(Revelation 13:5-7) And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them…(Rev11:7)
ALL of those MUST and WILL have a repetition for 7 full times;
That ties it all together again for a total repetition of 1914-1922 ,1260 and 1290 in kingdom significance, in temple patterns, in temple inspection, in temple judgment, in temple cleanse, to temple completion, in parable characters like “weeds” and “10 virgins”, prophecies like “man of lawlessness”, “evil slave”, and wildbeast 666 and war activities; ALL that MUST have a repeat in the final fulfillment completion of full 7 times;
BUT it is worldwide in scale in the final fulfillment, and it will go to the far greater ACTUAL Christ conquest, with a full 144000, delivering a completed “great crowd” INTO “the temple”, which is “in the air” over earth, those are given as earthlings to God; Ps45, the first “children” of the “marriage of the lamb”, the “center”, beginning, of the “new earth” of Ezekiel 38:12;